<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Greetings&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN is subject to jurisdiction of US Californian year. It is a non-profit vehicle.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Nigel&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Ali Hussein &lt;<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>&gt;<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:58 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> McTim &lt;<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:i-coordination@nro.net">i-coordination@nro.net</a>" &lt;<a href="mailto:i-coordination@nro.net">i-coordination@nro.net</a>&gt;, "<a href="mailto:korg@knujon.org">korg@knujon.org</a>" &lt;<a href="mailto:korg@knujon.org">korg@knujon.org</a>&gt;<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [I-coordination] The self correcting nature of the American        system? Judge rules against NSA tapping program. Snowden vindicated?<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto"><div>Guys</div><div><br></div><div>In which jurisdiction is ICANN domiciled?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Who purports to license ICANN?<br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". &nbsp;~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:49 PM, McTim &lt;<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Ali,</span><br><span></span><br><span>It's actually now the GAC IMHO that has the most influence in ICANN.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ask the folks whose new gTLD applications the GAC have objected to if</span><br><span>it is the GAC or NTIA who has more influence.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Regards,</span><br><span></span><br><span>McTim</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Bob Bruen &lt;<a href="mailto:korg@coldrain.net">korg@coldrain.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Ali,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The Registrars have the most control of ICANN. It's not so much governments,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>as it is business.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--bob</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Ali Hussein wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Andrew</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ICANN plays a major role in this. Who really controls ICANN?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ali Hussein</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>have a generation of idiots".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> ~ Albert Einstein</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Dec 17, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Andrew Sullivan &lt;<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hi,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 07:35:18AM +0300, Ali Hussein wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;By system being broken I mean the Governance Structures. It is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a no</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;brainer that the current Internet Governance structures where</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>one</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nation has an oversized influence is no longer tenable.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What is this oversized influence and what is the governance that you</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;think is needed? &nbsp;I don't actually agree that what you say is a "no</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;brainer".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Regards,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Andrew</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Andrew Sullivan</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I-coordination mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="mailto:I-coordination@nro.net">I-coordination@nro.net</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://nro.net/mailman/listinfo/i-coordination">https://nro.net/mailman/listinfo/i-coordination</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dr. Robert Bruen</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>KnujOn Org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.knujon.org">http://www.knujon.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>+1.802.579.6288</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I-coordination mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:I-coordination@nro.net">I-coordination@nro.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://nro.net/mailman/listinfo/i-coordination">https://nro.net/mailman/listinfo/i-coordination</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></span></body></html>