<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">The WGIG definition of Internet governance, the result of meetings in 2004-5, was the result of political compromise. &nbsp;I think that it is not helping us here. &nbsp;AS Brian says below, the notion of Internet governance mixes up too many things, and does not seem to be useful for addressing real issues.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Can we come up with a different vocabulary and a somewhat different structure that is much more consistent with our problem space, so that these different issues don't get confused (and yes, I understand that there may well be overlap between them)?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Brian, can you suggest some appropriate vocabulary and/or taxonomy?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">George</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div></span><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Message: 6</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:25:46 +1300</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">From: Brian E Carpenter &lt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">&gt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Subject: Re: [I-coordination] Europe at a tipping point?</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">To: "Dr. Ben Fuller" &lt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:ben@fuller.na">ben@fuller.na</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">&gt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Cc: "</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:i-coordination@nro.net">i-coordination@nro.net</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">" &lt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:i-coordination@nro.net">i-coordination@nro.net</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">&gt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Message-ID: &lt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:52AF6FDA.1090409@gmail.com">52AF6FDA.1090409@gmail.com</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">&gt;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">On 17/12/2013 08:08, Dr. Ben Fuller wrote:</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">...</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; ">When I look around for a template on how Internet governance might work I think about HIV and AIDS. (Transparency alert: I am the dean of a faculty of HIV and AIDS Managment at a local university). There are similarities. A medical/technical problem -- the HIV virus that brings about AIDS that leads to death from opportunistic infections. A set of massive socioeconomic impacts of the disease at global, national and local levels. Both sides pursued their own trajectories in dealing with their aspect of the issue, but they often met at the same venue, stayed aware of what the other side was doing, cooperated when needed and so forth. When looking around for a framework of how to take Internet governance forward we might learn something from the experiences of HIV.&nbsp;<br></blockquote><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">I know little about HIV, but I suspect that you would react to</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">the phrases "HIV Governance" or "AIDS Governance" the way I</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">react to "Internet Governance". It just mixes up too many</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">different things under a word that only describes a few of</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">those things.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Brian</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></blockquote></body></html>