<div dir="ltr">Perhaps Bruce Schneier has a point when he suggest that w<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">hile transparency, oversight, and reform are desirable, and worth working for, engineering effective ubiquitous crypto on the Internet is the only practical solution to widespread bulk surveillance..</span><font face="yw-b3b03f93acb29dde874548d979c14638352bd06e-de7373e6159d656802ba4c2c2ec9a13d--o" style></font><div>

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</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hallam@gmail.com" target="_blank">hallam@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:24 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" target="_blank">6.internet@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Hello,</p>
<p><a href="http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/technology/tech-giants-issue-call-for-limits-on-government-surveillance-of-users.html" target="_blank">http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/technology/tech-giants-issue-call-for-limits-on-government-surveillance-of-users.html</a></p>




<p>Find and include a few more companies from a few other countries to persuade more governments?</p></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>It is not a proposal the governments are going to accept though.</div><div>

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No surveillance except by law enforcement with a specific court order is a much more defensible position. I have no problem with intercepts by civil authorities against specific targets. I have a big problem with military authorities performing that type of activity on that scale.</div>

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