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[I-coordination] [kictanet] The self correcting nature of the American system? Judge rules against NSA tapping program. Snowden vindicated?

Adam Nelson adam at varud.com
Tue Dec 17 08:04:22 CET 2013


Well, to be fair, the genesis of the Internet was resilient digital
communications between posts in the Cold War - not to collect intelligence
information.

But anyway, I think Ali's point is well taken - that the US justice system
is more equipped to handle global issues around the Internet than any other
state or collection of states.

The problem with Internet governance is that it's in the vanguard of global
governance generally and so it has to be made up as it goes along.  We
don't have a world government for much of anything.  The UN fulfills its
mandate of representing government interests in the Westphalian world in
which we live and there really isn't any other forum with global capacity
out there that has a direct democratic mandate with the people of the
planet.

This is going to take some time to fix :-)

Cheers,
Adam

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:46 AM, otieno.barrack <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Ali,
>
> The genesis of the internet was collecting intelligence info, i bet it has
> to live up to its calling unless fundamentally redesigned.
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet
>
> Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
> Jorge
>
> By system being broken I mean the Governance Structures. It is a no
> brainer that the current Internet Governance structures where one nation
> has an oversized influence is no longer tenable. If sane and right minded
> governments and other institutions do not move fast to correct this then
> I'm afraid the move towards a Balkanized Internet is just a matter of time..
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>
> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd not base any discussions here on a decision of one US Federal judge or
> even the Supreme Court about a particular case.
>
> Also don't know what do you refer as "system being broken" or what others
> said " a broken Internet", there are many well known weaknesses, overall
> the network has been and is performing as expected or better based on the
> requirements and design criteria of the time, those requirements might be
> different today, so no one can expect that the "system" will perform as
> well with a new set of requirements if no changes are developed and
> implemented, like enhanced security and privacy.
>
> Many complain that the DNS is broken, well it is not totally broken, the
> problem is that it is being used for something it was not designed for,
> such as a directory service or a giant marketing billboard where commercial
> and property rights interests amplify the problems several orders of
> magnitude in an ecosystem that generated and industry of several billion
> dollars out of vaporware, add on top of that add improper or criminal use.
>
> -Jorge
>
> On Dec 16, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
> Listers
>
> Apologies for cross posting.
>
> In a landmark ruling a Federal District Court judge ruled on Monday that
> the National Security Agency program that is systematically keeping records
> of all Americans’ (and non Americans) phone calls most likely violates the
> Constitution, and he ordered the government to stop collecting data on two
> plaintiffs’ personal calls and destroy the records of their calling history.
>
> Despite the system being broken, is the American influence on Internet
> Governance the best we have right now? I can't imagine such a ruling in
> China or Russia, let alone India, Brazil or South Africa - the so called
> BRICS countries championing a new dispensation on Internet Governance..
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>
> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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