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[I-coordination] New: How do we dissect Internet governance? [Was: Europe at a tipping point?]

Markus Kummer kummer at
Tue Dec 17 19:38:11 CET 2013

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On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Markus Kummer <kummer at> wrote:

> Dear all,
> To follow-up on George's recommendation for a taxonomy type exercise, I
> would like to draw your attention to a similar kind of exercise the
> Internet Society started last month. We launched a process soliciting
> views and input from the community seeking to map the issues that impact,
> or are impacted by, the global Internet. This is work in progress and I
> would like to encourage you to visit and contribute to what we call  the
> "stewardship framework". This exercise can also assist the discussions
> that are taking place on this platform.
> The stewardship framework can be found here:
> work-tackling-challenges-­-political-technical
> Best regards
> Markus
> On 12/17/13 1:25 AM, "George Sadowsky" <george.sadowsky at> wrote:
>> Well said, Ben and Jorge.  How do we go further into a rough taxonomy of
>> the issues under both of the IG subdivisions that you have identified
>> well?  in particular, how do we define the issue space in a manner that
>> could lead to productive dialogue and results to feed into clarifying the
>> IG discussion?   I would give the internal technical organizational
>> issues priority, but I would not want to neglect the social and legal
>> issues that are impacted by the Internet.
>> Jorge, you seen rather involved in this activity.  Why not give it a
>> shot?  How would you delineate the issues that we should be concentrating
>> on to make some progress here?  Do you have suggestions regarding the
>> technical tools to make discussion with respect to those issues more
>> productive?
>> Ben, by the above, I do not mean to exclude you at all from the
>> discussion.
>> George
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:26:58 -0600
>>> From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at>
>>> Subject: Re: [I-coordination] Europe at a tipping point?
>>> To: "Dr. Ben Fuller" <ben at>
>>> Cc: "i-coordination at" <i-coordination at>
>>> Message-ID: <0E4FCB18-AE49-42B9-8C4F-66DB4F74A8A1 at>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:08 PM, "Dr. Ben Fuller" <ben at> wrote:
>>>> The comments here are quite appropriate. The Internet is both a
>>>> massive network of networks that requires rigorous technical standards
>>>> to operate effectively and a phenomenon of massive socioeconomic impact
>>>> that touches on many social and legal issues at global, national and
>>>> local levels. These two 'realms' are distinct and at the same time
>>>> connected to where they have the potential to impact each other. Each
>>>> may require a different way of governing as well as strategies to get
>>>> its decisions implemented. Each may require its own set of stakeholders
>>>> for a multi stakeholder approach.
>>> This is IHMO absolutely correct and the main driver of my previous
>>> comments about the need to split the discussions and focus on the
>>> specific issues we know exist today, at the macro not micro level, so a
>>> viable framework can be developed. There are issues that can and must be
>>> regulated, others that require just coordination and cooperation, but
>>> one size fits all under the "Governance" word will never work, will
>>> never happen.
>>> It is like we are trying to make a wall picture of Internet Governance
>>> using the pieces of multiple puzzles that we put and mixed together in a
>>> common bowl. We may have an idea on how the final picture has to look
>>> like but unless we separate the pieces of each puzzle and we put skilled
>>> hands to work with them we will get nowhere.
>>> Meanwhile the shows goes on and we keep finding creative ways on how to
>>> milk from the I* and other organizations coffers.
>>> Regards
>>> Jorge
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