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[I-coordination] New: How do we dissect Internet governance? [Was: Europe at a tipping point?]

Subi Chaturvedi subichaturvedi at
Tue Dec 17 17:37:55 CET 2013

+1 Milton
The Internet Changes as speak.

The Tunis Agenda must be revisited to reflect contemporary issues and
respond to challenges of the future of IG.

"rightful" and "respective" both are loaded terms for stakeholders and
boxes and labels no longer hold good, as water tight compartments in IG.


Subi Chaturvedi
Assistant Prof. Journalism and Com,
Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), DU

Founder Trustee Media For Change

Chief Mentor

On 17 December 2013 21:59, Milton L Mueller <mueller at> wrote:

>  I agree with Jeremy.
> Unless Brian and other IETF folks are going to take a crash course in
> international relations, political science, and institutional economics,
> their efforts to come up with a definition of 'governance' is likely to
> fall far short.
>  However, there is one aspect of the definition that badly needs to be
> revised. That is the reference to the "respective roles" of different
> stakeholder groups. As noted in my response to Adam, the division of
> stakeholders into "roles" was a reactionary modification of the definition
> insisted upon in the early stages of WSIS by a coalition of authoritarian
> and more conservative-thinking governments. We can and should revisit that
> part of the standard definition.
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* i-coordination-bounces at [i-coordination-bounces at]
> on behalf of Jeremy Malcolm [jeremy at]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:51 AM
> *To:* i-coordination at
> *Subject:* Re: [I-coordination] New: How do we dissect Internet
> governance? [Was: Europe at a tipping point?]
>   On 17/12/13 08:45, George Sadowsky wrote:
> The WGIG definition of Internet governance, the result of meetings in
> 2004-5, was the result of political compromise.  I think that it is not
> helping us here.  AS Brian says below, the notion of Internet governance
> mixes up too many things, and does not seem to be useful for addressing
> real issues.
>  Can we come up with a different vocabulary and a somewhat different
> structure that is much more consistent with our problem space, so that
> these different issues don't get confused (and yes, I understand that there
> may well be overlap between them)?
>  Brian, can you suggest some appropriate vocabulary and/or taxonomy?
> The wording of the WGIG definition of Internet governance is almost
> identical to a widely cited definition of an international regime that has
> a considerable body of theory behind it.  So I would hesitate to throw it
> out because it is unfamiliar or threatening to those who are more familiar
> with technical aspects of Internet governance.
> I also don't think that redefining the terms of the debate now, when
> governments and other stakeholders have already become comfortable with
> those terms and have been operating under them for years, is going to bring
> the stakeholders any closer together, if that is something that 1net is
> aiming to do.
> If the terminology does not fit well with the technical community's
> self-defined problem-space, or seems to extend to issues that you think are
> not "real issues", then maybe it is that that problem space is too narrow,
> rather than that the terminology is inappropriate or that those broader
> issues are not real.
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