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[I-coordination] ICANN's role vis-a-vis the Internet ecosystem

Burkov Dmitry dvburk at gmail.com
Sat Dec 14 02:46:56 CET 2013


on this list? nobody never (except  you) mentioned even about that they exist :) (sorry George)

On 14 Dec 2013, at 05:21, manning bill <bmanning at isi.edu> wrote:

> you?   me?   most of the folks on this list?
> 
> /bill
> Neca eos omnes.  Deus suos agnoscet.
> 
> On 13December2013Friday, at 17:13, Burkov Dmitry <dvburk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Bill,
>> who care now about core internet values?
>> Dima
>> 
>> On 14 Dec 2013, at 04:50, manning bill <bmanning at isi.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> that path is indirect at best.  a constituency may nominate one or more individuals.  those individuals must accept the nomination and then be vetted by the nomcom 
>>> against a blend of objective and subjective criteria.   A key criteria is how well the applicant reflects core Internet values.  Clear bias or allegiance to a given constituency or
>>> sector has generally hindered their progress.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> /bill
>>> Neca eos omnes.  Deus suos agnoscet.
>>> 
>>> On 13December2013Friday, at 11:22, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From a corporate/legal point of view, ICANN has no membership, so all decisions are done by the Board of Directors where in many cases there is no consensus but simple majority.
>>>> 
>>>> All the other structures under the ICANN umbrella play an advisory role without any decision power at the corporate level, but there is a channel through by the Nominating Committee where constituencies may be able to influence the decision process by nominating candidates to be members of the BoD.
>>>> 
>>>>> From the constituencies level, each one has its own charter and the decision process may differ from one to another.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd not spend to much time reading Morse for background about Internet Governance and ICANN (btw I'm also a HAM operator but not much CW lately) 
>>>> 
>>>> But you can include some Asimov, since sometimes discussions sound almost like science fiction 
>>>> 
>>>> -Jorge
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
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>>>>> jorge
>>>>> It is a good reference, thank you. We have lot of literature -
>>>>> Internet give us such facility.
>>>>> We can start to read lot of books, Samuel Morse is one of the pioneers.
>>>>> But the question is very simple - could you please describe the
>>>>> structure  and the decision making procedure in  ICANN?
>>>>> Is it based on consensus? Or may be majority will decide? Or may be
>>>>> there is a multi-stakeholder exact structure?
>>>>> Grigori Saghyan
>>>>> ISOC.AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13.12.2013 22:20, JFC Morfin wrote:
>>>>>> At 18:38 13/12/2013, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>>>>>> All the history is on-line, many papers, several books. You can
>>>>>>> start by reading a paper from Jones Day about their side of the
>>>>>>> history how ICANN was created, you can read Milton's two books
>>>>>>> "Networks and States" and "Ruling the Root" There is a very good
>>>>>>> thesis dissertation by Craig Lyle Simon from University of Miami
>>>>>>> "Launching the DNS War" that can provide you a lot of insight,
>>>>>>> and much more.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nathalie,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you want to understand what ICANN is about as a _technical_
>>>>>> (what has to work in spite of poltics) function, you may also want
>>>>>> to read:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Vint Cerf's internet project description: 
>>>>>> http://iucg.org/wiki/IEN_48_-_The_Catenet_Model_for_Internetworking
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - the ICANN Internet Coordination Policy documents:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- ICP-1 http://www.icann.org/en/resources/cctlds/delegation --
>>>>>> iCP-2 
>>>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/resources/policy/global-addressing/new-rirs-criteria
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- ICP-3 http://www.icann.org/en/about/unique-authoritative-root
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The ICANN governance documents:
>>>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance to understand how it is
>>>>>> designed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The affirmation of commitment: 
>>>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/aoc/affirmation-of-commitments-30sep09-en.htm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then to complete the vision in reading the
>>>>>> http://www.iana.org/about documents.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is important to grasp, IMHO is the difference between
>>>>>> namespace management (any namespace) and what results from history
>>>>>> and uniform control by the I* stakeholderhsip (what is specific to
>>>>>> the particular ICANN history and strategy).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> jfc
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> - -- 
>>>>> Grigori Saghyan
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