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[I-coordination] A different model

Phillip Hallam-Baker hallam at
Fri Dec 13 01:30:56 CET 2013

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter at> wrote:

> On 13/12/2013 12:41, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at>
> wrote:
> >
> >>> I don't know that there is a word for this yet. the only precedent is
> >> the telephone system and governments managed that by nationalizing the
> >> infrastructures at a very early date and placing them under government
> >> regulation. So administrative acts became government acts
> >>
> >> And every single modem or device had to be certified by the phone
> company
> >> (mostly controlled by governments), I remember the torture of trying to
> >> have a Telebit modem installed/working in Istanbul, not even imagine
> >> getting X.25 working that was supposed to be a "standard" (well
> actually it
> >> was a set of recommendations.)
> >>
> >>> That is not a workable model for the Internet since even if the
> >> government buys out the pipes, users want to go to Facebook and Google.
> >>
> >> Well, ITU keeps pushing to manage a chunk of IPv6 address space. I still
> >> remember the Beckstrom SNAFU during a no so distant IGF... But
> everything
> >> went back to normal when at the following ICANN meeting we were all
> praying
> >> for the security and stability of the Internet and the cult to the
> >> multistakeholder model.
> >>
> >
> > Well there is their problem, they ask for permission.
> >
> > If they just sent a letter to IANA informing them that some block of IPv6
> > addresses that is comfortably above the current distribution point is
> going
> > to be allocated, what is IANA going to do to stop them?
> Simply state that the space is reserved by the IETF, and kick the problem
> over the transom. And the IETF would recall the agreements made between
> the IETF and the ITU-T in ~2005. I personally explained why the idea is
> technically broken to the Director of ITU-T. Not sure he understood,
> though ;-(.


> Nobody would want the contested allocations even if the backbone carriers
> > refused to route them.
> An exercise in futility indeed. We've been playing whack-a-mole
> on this one since 2005 to my personal knowledge, and probably longer.
> It isn't a governance issue. It's a technical administration issue, very
> similar to spectrum allocation or E.164 administration, which is why
> ITU remains a little peeved that they aren't in charge of it. But they're
> not.

The problem does have a precedent but not E.164, UPC barcodes have the same
sort of access issues as IPv6 space.

A country could order its national carriers to route their hijacked block
internally but they would not be in a position to force international

Which would actually have some interesting properties for critical
infrastructure. It would be like having 10.x.x.x but with the proviso that
the packets won't route to the address from outside the country.

If all the power stations were in such an address block it would mean that
it was only possible to connect to them from an ISP within the national
jurisdiction. Which would mean that any DDoS attack would have to come from
inside the country or from an ISP that had an unauthorized bridge.

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