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[I-coordination] I-coordination Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70

Grigori Saghyan gregor at
Thu Dec 12 10:22:36 CET 2013

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Dear Nathalie, Jorge, All,

It is  necessary to read * manuals, of course. But you do not find any
exact definition for the term "Internet". You can find a mixture of
TCP/IP, network of networks, interconnected networks, other
explanations -without mentioning the DNS. But in real life there are
few  separate components of the Internet - telecommunications, DNS,
including numbering,  and content.

ICANN is responsible for DNS - you can take a look on any ICANN
meeting agenda - most of topics are DNS related, on Durban conference
80% of topics were linked with the DNS.

Telecommunications, including transport layers  - there are few main
players - IETF, ITU, IEEE, and few smaller players. Here you can find
surveillance  the problems

Content - this part is not technical, it is our life. Here you can
also find few parts - "user generated content"  and telecommunications
inside one computer (Google, Facebook, etc).

Of course, it is possible to find better separation of components, but
in some cases one can ask you  - why you want to give such definition?
If you have a definition, you will be able to regulate. And may be on
this stage it is not necessary to regulate?

Grigori Saghyan

On 11.12.2013 21:16, nathalie coupet wrote:
> Hi Jorge,
> Thank you for your response. Could you please point me to commonly 
> accepted definitions? I don't think I am the only one looking for 
> workable definitions, as one can infer from the previous
> interventions. This could make it clearer for all. What is the
> Internet? A document explaining what it is and what it is not. Why
> it cannot be governed. This is what I meant. I was not suggesting
> to present a report to the Brazil meeting. I was just suggesting to
> have some form of documentation making the case for a free
> Internet, instead of having to start debates all over every time. 
> By summarizing our positions in a document, we could save time.
> Best regards,
> Nathalie
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at>
> *To:* Nathalie Coupet <nathaliecoupet at> *Cc:*
> "brian.e.carpenter at" <brian.e.carpenter at>; 
> "i-coordination at" <i-coordination at> *Sent:*
> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:46 AM *Subject:* Re: I-coordination
> Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70
> Hi Nathalie,
> I think I don't clearly understand your suggestion about
> explaining "what is the Internet".
> I believe that is basic knowledge that anybody, including
> legislators (their aids) and new comers should already know to be
> able to be involved in the discussion.
> Also I don't think that it is necessary anymore to have more
> discussions and costly meetings to work on pretty basic
> definitions, some of the concepts related to this dialog have been
> discussed and documented in many places, with much more intensity
> since WSIS 2003 in Geneva.
> Don't get confused with IGF and the meeting in Brazil. While I'd
> expect many IGF participants to show up in Brazil, this particular
> meeting is not an IGF meeting so it will not be the place and time
> to present any report to the IGF. But once again I don't see the
> value or need for such a discussion and report.
> In the technical community we have a very common acronym: RTM =
> Read The Manual (note that I removed one of the letters for a more
> gentle version)
> Regards Jorge
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Nathalie Coupet 
> <nathaliecoupet at <mailto:nathaliecoupet at>>
> wrote:
> Good morning Brian and Jorge,
> Separating both discussions and better explaining what the
> Internet is would be a great starting point. Maybe we could create
> a WG that would clarify these points for all, especially for
> legislators and new comers. We could present a report to the IGF,
> in Brazil or just as documentation for new comers in this debate.
> My .02 cents
> Nathalie
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