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[I-coordination] A different model
korg at coldrain.net
Wed Dec 11 20:34:13 CET 2013
Well, actually you have provided the example for me. Thank you.
I am as critical of my government as anybody and I have no problem with
anyone else being critical. If you deny that there is some level of
criticism that comes from those (where ever they live) who dislike the US
and/or the US government, then you are simply denying reality.
You have jumped to "no Americans can take criticism" because I said some
of the criticism ('massive') is hyperbolic, which is a really big leap.
I was hoping this forum would concentrate on reality and not be a place
for participants to simply voice their prejudices. I am happy to deal
with relevant criticism, but I am just as happy to say something if I
think it is wrong.
The whole idea of working together requires some level of understanding
and some grounding in reality. No much will get done otherwise.
There is no reason why each of us can not agree with some things and not
others, without resorting to" always" or "never."
btw, I do not speak for my government or anyone else for that matter.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Bob Bruen <korg at coldrain.net> wrote:
> No one said there was zero inflence, but much of the criticism is
> hyperbolic because of the dislike of the US government.
> I think "massive" is hyperbolic.
> The thing that actually annoys me most about the current situation is that Americans simply can't
> take any criticism of their government without throwing accusations of anti-Americanism.
> The big issue here is accountability and the US nationals don't want their government to be
> accountable to non-nationals. Which is not compatible with the US government being in control of
> the Internet.
> Whoever is in control has to accept accountability. If people don't want their motives or their
> honesty to be challenged then they should not run for public office. I make no apologies at all
> for asking if the reason a judge makes the rulings he does is because his wife receives $750K per
> year in lobbying fees from organizations litigating cases in his court.
> If the US does not want to accept accountability then it can't play that role. 'You have to let us
> lead or you are being anti-American' is not a persuasive case.
> Accusing people who raise relevant questions of 'anti-Americanism' has to be considered
> unacceptable if we are going to proceed.
> As it happens I don't think that there is any group that has a large degree of concern about the
> decisions the US has taken in its role. The issue is what they might do in the future. And the one
> thing we know with certainty here is that there will be a new President in 2017 and possibly a
> different agenda.
> Website: http://hallambaker.com/
Dr. Robert Bruen
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