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[I-coordination] I-coordination Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70

Alejandro Pisanty apisanty at
Wed Dec 11 18:40:25 CET 2013


a standard introductory textbook which covers many of the problems at hand
is the book by Jovan Kurbalja which you can get online (free, in several
lanugages) from the Diplo Foundation in

The statement "the Internet cannot be governed" is to broad and open to
interpretation. It is clear in one sense, the Internet cannot be governed
in the traditional sense of a top-down, single government.

The issues subject to governance on the Internet are too diverse and
dynamic for that. Even if two issues (say intellectual property and spam,
to suspend the obsessive focus on ICANN for a second) bring together the
same stakeholders, say ISPs, publishers, technologists, lawyers and users,
each of these will need to be represented by different members of their
organizations (you won't necessarily send the same lawyer or the same
engineer to discuss both issues because the required disciplines may be too

The one thread found so far that is common to all Internet Governance
mechanisms is the need to involve all stakeholders equally. This does not
preclude the rule of law where it exists, nor the creativity to identify
the need for new legislation (at the national level) or instruments (beyond
a single jurisdiction) and getting them processed in legislatures etc.


Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:16 AM, nathalie coupet
<nathaliecoupet at>wrote:

> Hi Jorge,
> Thank you for your response. Could you please point me to commonly
> accepted definitions? I don't think I am the only one looking for workable
> definitions, as one can infer from the previous interventions. This could
> make it clearer for all.
> What is the Internet? A document explaining what it is and what it is not.
> Why it cannot be governed. This is what I meant.
>  I was not suggesting to present a report to the Brazil meeting. I was
> just suggesting to have some form of documentation making the case for a
> free Internet, instead of having to start debates all over every time. By
> summarizing our positions in a document, we could save time.
> Best regards,
> Nathalie
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at>
> *To:* Nathalie Coupet <nathaliecoupet at>
> *Cc:* "brian.e.carpenter at" <brian.e.carpenter at>; "
> i-coordination at" <i-coordination at>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: I-coordination Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70
> Hi Nathalie,
> I think I don't clearly understand your suggestion about explaining "what
> is the Internet".
> I believe that is basic knowledge that anybody, including legislators
> (their aids) and new comers should already know to be able to be involved
> in the discussion.
> Also I don't think that it is necessary anymore to have more discussions
> and costly meetings to work on pretty basic definitions, some of the
> concepts related to this dialog have been discussed and documented in many
> places, with much more intensity since WSIS 2003 in Geneva.
> Don't get confused with IGF and the meeting in Brazil. While I'd expect
> many IGF participants to show up in Brazil, this particular meeting is not
> an IGF meeting so it will not be the place and time to present any report
> to the IGF. But once again I don't see the value or need for such a
> discussion and report.
> In the technical community we have a very common acronym: RTM = Read The
> Manual (note that I removed one of the letters for a more gentle version)
> Regards
> Jorge
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Nathalie Coupet <nathaliecoupet at
> > wrote:
> Good morning Brian and Jorge,
> Separating both discussions and better explaining what the Internet is
> would be a great starting point.
> Maybe we could create a WG that would clarify these points for all,
> especially for legislators and new comers.
> We could present a report to the IGF, in Brazil or just as documentation
> for new comers in this debate.
> My .02 cents
> Nathalie
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