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[I-coordination] Surveillance by Governments around the world

Nick Ashton-Hart nashton at ccianet.org
Tue Dec 10 07:53:26 CET 2013


Actually, from the Snowden documents it is far from certain that is true - and a number of documents (as well as statements from Snowden himself) have suggested that strong encryption of several kinds has not been broken by the spies.

sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>But the Military and Intelligence organs of Governments  find a way to
>ensure that ubiquitous crypto is levels below the crypto available to
>Military and Intelligence. :)  In other words, the crypto available to
>the
>common man is always well within their ability to break.
>
>Sivasubramanian M
>On Dec 10, 2013 11:10 AM, "Joly MacFie" <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Bruce Schneier has a point when he suggest that while
>> transparency, oversight, and reform are desirable, and worth working
>for,
>> engineering effective ubiquitous crypto on the Internet is the only
>> practical solution to widespread bulk surveillance..
>>
>> http://youtu.be/PkANFt_wIc0
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker
><hallam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:24 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/technology/tech-giants-issue-call-for-limits-on-government-surveillance-of-users.html
>>>>
>>>> Find and include a few more companies from a few other countries to
>>>> persuade more governments?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is not a proposal the governments are going to accept though.
>>>
>>> No surveillance except by law enforcement with a specific court
>order is
>>> a much more defensible position. I have no problem with intercepts
>by civil
>>> authorities against specific targets. I have a big problem with
>military
>>> authorities performing that type of activity on that scale.
>>>
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