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[I-coordination] Europe at a tipping point?

Nigel Hickson nigel.hickson at
Mon Dec 9 17:46:14 CET 2013


As ever you have hit the right note; as civil servants we sometimes
welcomed "leaks" (shock, horror) as the feedback enabled us to produce a
more rounded and thoughtful product. But conversely the rhetoric can be
unhelpful if folks take a leak as formal policyŠ.



On 12/9/13 5:41 PM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at> wrote:

>Carlos and Jeremy,
>If one is familiar with the history of WSIS, and with the initial
>reaction of states in WSIS to the demands for participation by non-state
>actors, and with the battle over 'enhanced cooperation', it is flat wrong
>to dismiss the EC draft's repeated emphasis on different (and
>subordinate) stakeholder roles as "ethereal." It is what the whole IG
>debate Is fundamentally about right now. For the EC to come down firmly
>on the side of subordinating non-state actors to state actors in all
>policy making processes would be a highly significant development - one
>that many of us would think of as a setback to Internet freedom and
>autonomy as well. 
>As for waiting for the full document, well, welcome to the Heisenberg
>principle. Because of our intervention, and because of the internal
>opposition to these reactionary trends in the EC, it is unlikely that the
>"final document" you see will be the same as the draft that was leaked.
>No need to quibble about this, really, but an organization created by a
>national law, the majority of whose members are government ministries,
>and without any representation from foreigners might reasonably be called
>-----Original Message-----
>From: i-coordination-bounces at
>[mailto:i-coordination-bounces at] On Behalf Of Carlos A. Afonso
>Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 6:48 AM
>To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; I-coordination at
>Subject: Re: [I-coordination] Europe at a tipping point?
>Hi people, I would like to read the whole document. I think IGP's
>analysis may be overreacting and may be misleading, but it would be great
>to read the whole doc first.
>Two quick points which are independent of the doc's content:
>- is not "state-led";
>- "in their respective roles" is in fact ethereal and also includes the
>"respective roles" of governments, whatever this means -- it is of such
>generic scope that one cannot conclude that the world will end just by
>the mention of this.
>On 12/09/2013 07:12 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> whilst we're all discussing who's going to be sitting physically at
>> the table in Brazil, the world moves on and our colleagues in Europe
>> might have some (real) work to do:
>> -leaked-ec-document-stirs-internet-governance-controversy/
>> Kind regards,
>> Olivier
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