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[I-coordination] What is 1net to me?

Nigel Hickson nigel.hickson at
Thu Dec 5 13:14:43 CET 2013

Good afternoon

I agree with Roland; I do not find it unusual for leaders of organisations
to commit themselves in this way. It is something I have been familiar



On 12/5/13 12:09 PM, "Roland Perry" <roland at>

>In message 
><CAMm+LwiqNZ7cNSsXhtSXL2Y0meQPSuS4paRiMbVJj1TA=ieRrw at>, at
>16:28:42 on Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam at>
>>> > The IETF and IAB Chairs of course act as leaders, but in general the
>>> >IETF doesn't elect people to speak for it.
>>> So why did they allow their names to be attached to a statement of this
>>> kind with attributions such as "Chair IAB|IETF"?
>>> At the very least it will be confusing to people who are not extremely
>>> well versed in IETF politics (which is of course "almost everyone").
>>> They will undoubtedly assume that their signature is backed by the
>>> organisations they chair, just as we assume that what the RIR and ISOC
>>> chiefs said was representing their organisations' view, and not just a
>>> personal opinion.
>>The constraints Andrew raises are hardly unique to the IETF they apply
>>equally to the President of the United States.
>>Even though the POTUS is elected to speak for the US in treaty
>>negotiations, any treaty must be ratified by the US Senate before it is
>>It is generally understood that the only parties that can make such
>>commitments unilaterally are either essentially undemocratic or
>I disagree. The leaders of organisations can, and do, make serious
>commitments which they have previously cleared with whatever/whoever
>comprises the decision-making process back at the ranch (which may of
>course be democratic, although democracy is somewhat over-rated at
>times). It's called "having a mandate".
>Roland Perry
>I-coordination mailing list
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