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[I-coordination] I-coordination Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2

nathalie coupet nathaliecoupet at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 1 20:16:58 CET 2013


Thank you, Paul.
 
Nathalie Coupet




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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: What is 1net to me? (Jahangir Hossain)
   2. Re: What is 1net to me? (Subi Chaturvedi)
   3. Re: What is 1net to me? (Jorge Amodio)
   4. Re: What is 1net to me? (McTim)
   5. Re: What is 1net to me? (John Curran)
   6. Re: What is 1net to me? (Fouad Bajwa)
   7. Re: What is 1net to me? (Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:07:22 +0600
From: Jahangir Hossain <jahangir at parween.net>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net>
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Thanks Paul for share this nice article and this is really important for us.



Regards // Jahangir Hossain


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I hope this is a helpful contribution to our current
> discussion/debate/dialogue:
>
>  http://www.circleid.com/posts/2013112_what_is_1net_to_me
>
> Regards
>
> Paul.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:16:30 +0530
From: Subi Chaturvedi <subichaturvedi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net>
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Dear Paul,

Many thanks for sharing. Excellent piece. A very useful and lucid
chronological perspective indeed, on 1net.

It would help if you could dwell a little more, say specifics of how, 1net
can function "as an "inter-sessional" IGF process", without being
duplicative of the IGF."

There is a great an urgent need for fostering trust and I believe more
speech and text and a sustained outreach, is one way that we can respond as
a community towards these concerns and some pertinent pressing questions.

warmest

Subi

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On 1 December 2013 11:07, Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I hope this is a helpful contribution to our current
> discussion/debate/dialogue:
>
>  http://www.circleid.com/posts/2013112_what_is_1net_to_me
>
> Regards
>
> Paul.
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 07:56:03 -0600
From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net>
Cc: "I-coordination at nro.net" <i-coordination at nro.net>
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Thanks Paul, good article.

BTW, it is interesting to observe that leaders or CEO's, including the
rogue (and after the fact damage control made by the Bod) move by ICANN's
CEO, does not exactly represent bottom-up actions.

Not a single iota of consultation with the real bottom was made in relation
to the events mentioned in your article.

My .02

Regards
Jorge
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:08:38 -0500
From: McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>
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On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Paul, good article.
>
> BTW, it is interesting to observe that leaders or CEO's, including the
> rogue (and after the fact damage control made by the Bod) move by ICANN's
> CEO, does not exactly represent bottom-up actions.
>
> Not a single iota of consultation with the real bottom was made in
> relation to the events mentioned in your article.
>


Are these ICANN policy issues that should be subject to PDP's?  In any
case, all these red-herrings about WHOIS and IPV6 and lack of consultation
from the bottom are distractions from forward looking work.

Regards,

McTim
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:39:19 +0000
From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>
Cc: "I-coordination at nro.net" <i-coordination at nro.net>
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On Dec 1, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Paul, good article.
> 
> BTW, it is interesting to observe that leaders or CEO's, including the rogue (and after the fact damage control made by the Bod) move by ICANN's CEO, does not exactly represent bottom-up actions.
> 

> Not a single iota of consultation with the real bottom was made in relation to the events mentioned in your article.


Jorge -

We're trying to catalyze an activity via the formation of "1net" (with an open call for participation
including formation of the steering committee.)  As folks probably realize from the initial awkward
steps, it actually would have been _much_ easier to have a I*-specified 1net leadership and an 
I*-provided list of specific goals, etc.  

I acknowledge there is an inherent conflict between a set of leaders meeting and then calling for 
an initiative to be formed versus waiting for it to form organically, but having now called for its 
formation and allowing folks to participate (or not), to shaping its direction (or not), to seat folks
on the steering committee (or not); the only way "1net" will not be the result of bottom-up actions
is from lack of  participation rather than lack of opportunity.   One would hope that folks who have 
contact with "the real bottom" will work to make that community aware of the initiative and enable 
their participation.

Thanks!
/John

Disclaimers:  My views alone.




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 23:30:14 +0500
From: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: "i-coordination at nro.net" <i-coordination at nro.net>
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Hi Paul and others,

Though I've been trying to catch up on the Montevideo statement and associated discussions that have been happening all over the CS and technical community mailing lists and now this one too, as being bed ridden after a bad accident......

As i try to go through the two months of 1net i-coordination mailing list archive as well as reading your article on CircleID, I am confused why this sudden need of an intercessional IGF activity between and within the Internet Ecosystem few has suddenly evolved. I felt an attempt in the article to clarify and reason with the technical community's and ICANN/Fadi's promotion of the issue and building a coalition which sorry to say already exists within the Internet Ecosystem or Internet Community between ICANN and RIRs and now is being brought forward to create more limelight and prove amidst the IGF and ICANN communities that what exists is really not enough and there should be more.

Enhanced Cooperation activities are still struggling to find rationality and purpose for existence  (despite being embodied within the Tunis Agenda) and somehow in search of a lifeline within the IGF. That is also why there is this dilemma of intermingled use of multilateralism and multistakeholderism because neither are mature in the sense of governance mechanisms. 

The Brazil meeting adds more to the troubles of developing country Stakeholders like us that already lack the resources to be at the global IGF or regional IGFs due to lack of financial resources and now this, a perfect opportunity to keep us out by adding more and more to the preexisting Internet and Internet Governance ecosystem or now this playground.

The technical community in this case is clearly playing lead in this new attempt to build reasoning for a new form and setting for Internet governance and enhanced cooperation beyond the IGF. Frankly speaking, this is just one country's attempt or reminds me of the BRIC attempts from the past to rationalize that we also exist and we can also intervene and it's an equal playground. If that is the case then let's encourage China to call in their global IG meeting, Russia to call in theirs and then so on, let's have all of them be intercessional IGF activities for that matter.

This appears like the usual faces with their usual multiple hats putting on new hats. If we look at the steering committee of the 1net, sorry to say, I see the same ol same ol faces with their new hats and nice flowery ones too. What I am really disappointed with and again is that Fadi Chehade losing the point within the earlier trust he was so successfully building in his role in ICANN and the Internet community. 

It reminds me of how the previous CEO of ICANN also lost track and lost the whole point of Internet Governance in the context of where ICANN plays its important role within the IG ecosystem. One Malaysian stakeholder took a punch at ICANN during IGF'09 in Sharam and then the rest unfolded on its own in the next few years. These things fall out hand despite us closing our eyes and ignoring it.

This continuous misuse of the Civil Society context within some new agenda being produced by a handful few is a very weak attempt to stitch together this new multistakeholderism approach that is led by the technical community and a government or a few governments leaving out the whole community that is actually part of the IGF and the ICANN.

Once again, ICANNs own rationality will soon come into question and the very technical community that is attempting this new form of organization will itself become challenged. It's okay if this is a new club or conference for the heck of it but in the ideology of intergovernmental and multilateral treaties and a much more broader stakeholder context, it's a shot in the air. I can see the ITU and CSTD to also find some intercessional IGF rationality soon. I think we should have the WSIS forum be intercessional IGF as well since we are all in for it, or aren't we?

Best Regards
Fouad Bajwa

Sent from my mobile device


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 19:31:44 +0100
From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
Subject: Re: [I-coordination] What is 1net to me?
To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>
Cc: "I-coordination at nro.net" <i-coordination at nro.net>
Message-ID: <529B8090.3070905 at gih.com>
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On 01/12/2013 18:39, John Curran wrote:
> the only way "1net" will not be the result of bottom-up actions
> is from lack of  participation rather than lack of opportunity.   One would hope that folks who have 
> contact with "the real bottom" will work to make that community aware of the initiative and enable 
> their participation.

Absolutely agreed. There is a *lot* of work to do at the bottom,
starting with recruiting more people to our cause, and yet, as soon as
there's a lot of work, it's a lot harder to have participation. I am
always surprised that when there's a call for representatives on a small
committee there are a lot of potential candidates but when it comes to
contributing some significant work, toiling deeply in working groups,
the candidate list decreases dramatically.

So perhaps when Paul Wilson shares his view on what is 1net for him, I'd
like to ask everyone else on the list!: what is 1net for each of you
and, by extension, what is 1net for your local community?

Kind regards,

Olivier

-- 
Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond, PhD
http://www.gih.com/ocl.html




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